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Religion key issue in marriage debate

DAVID SMYTHE

Issue date: 4/30/09 Section: Opinions
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DAVID SMYTHE
DAVID SMYTHE

Miss California, you disappoint me." That is how Dana Zelman began her column commenting on gay marriage. I shall start with, Ms. Zelman, your arguments disappoint me. Let me be clear - I am not here to discuss views on the rightness or wrongness of gay marriage, only the lack of correct facts and logic in Zelman's arguments.

Zelman begins with noting that "[L]egislatures in of Iowa, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Vermont have opened the door for gays to marry..." A quick read of the news will show it's the Supreme Court of Iowa, the Supreme Court of Massachusetts and Supreme Court Connecticut that allow gay marriage, only Vermont used the legislature.

There is huge legal significance there. Isn't one of the first rules of journalism to "get your facts right?" Especially such highly publicized facts?

Zelman next notes homosexuality has been and still is rejected "primarily on the basis of religion."

What other basis is there for approval or rejection? Today, we often use the word "ideology" but at its root, it is still a set of beliefs held about the world that the holder tends to believe to be true, even if that "truth" is relative, based on some form of evidence.

Marriage is primarily a religious concept, recognized legally because nearly all religions recognize some form of it. Some countries even have separate laws on marriage for different religions, reflecting the individual religion's beliefs.

The idea that homosexuality is good merely because it is "natural" contains the "religious" belief that nature is necessarily good. What if someone views nature as necessarily bad? Does that mean homosexuality is necessarily bad? I hope we have better arguments than that.

I find the "it is natural" argument to be worthless for all sides because its value is entirely dependent on our religious views of nature's worth. Anyone remember the evils of Social Darwinism?

The Christian stance is grossly oversimplified, citing merely one verse. Zelman does not address the numerous others, the theological arguments for or against, or the nuances and legal views therein. Since when it is appropriate to cite one friend as the example that the vast majority of people on a position within Christianity are ignorant? Yes, there are many well-articulated views within Christianity.

"It is therefore impossible for an all-loving being to not love something [natural]..." No, those don't necessarily follow logic. Love is not the same as approval. We've all done things our parents wouldn't approve of, do they love us any less? Way to put the concept of an all-powerful God in a tiny human box with no substantiated logical connection.

Let us at least be honest and admit the real issue is a disagreement between differing "religious" views, including atheistic ones. How desperate for "hot issue" columns is The Red & Black that they would print collections of arguments replete with factual and logical flaws, unrepresentative examples and over simplification? These kind of weak and flawed arguments help no one.

- David Smythe is a second year law student from Plano, Texas.
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anon

posted 4/30/09 @ 8:32 AM EST

What the hell kind of argument is that? "What if someone views nature as necessarily bad?" Then that person is an idiot.

And anybody who writes an op-ed is NOT a journalist, but rather a commentator. (Continued…)

Zaid

posted 4/30/09 @ 9:33 AM EST

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Marriage is primarily a religious concept, recognized legally because nearly all religions recognize some form of it."

So do you think atheists and agnostics can't get married in America? How about Muslims or Buddhists?

Marriage is not now or has it ever been a Christian concept. (Continued…)

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Nick

posted 4/30/09 @ 10:46 AM EST

I'm truly impressed. You managed to write an entire column in direct response to someone's elses essay while ignoring every single one of her (Zelman's) points. (Continued…)

Nick 2

posted 4/30/09 @ 11:01 AM EST

If the religious right can't bring themselves to share the term "marriage" with the State, then the State should stop using the term "marriage" altogether. (Continued…)

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Tommy

posted 4/30/09 @ 11:13 AM EST

Hey Smythe,

Thanks for proving Zelman's point that there is little ground to stand on to oppose gay marriage. Kudos to you for proving your opinion is almost entirely unsupported. (Continued…)

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Nick

posted 4/30/09 @ 11:47 AM EST

"And yes, we do live a representative democracy. So what does it say when 3 out of 4 states approved gay marriage in the least democratic function? The courts are not really democratic. (Continued…)

dana

posted 4/30/09 @ 12:06 PM EST

Yes, thank you. You absolutely proved me wrong with regards to using the word "legislatures" instead of "courts," and I absolutely simplified the Christian argument. (Continued…)

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Joel

posted 4/30/09 @ 2:14 PM EST

Well I, for one, appreciate what you tried to do here. Apparently it wasn't "juicy" enough for the "Pro/Against" Jerry Springer crowd, but I tire quickly of arguments mired in personal opinion and sentiment instead of basic reasoning. (Continued…)

me

posted 4/30/09 @ 4:06 PM EST

Mr. Smythe will most likely not have a career in law. Given the weaknesses in his arguments, logic, and legal knowledge, he will not be able to hold a position as a lawyer for long, if at all. (Continued…)

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Gretta

posted 4/30/09 @ 6:49 PM EST

This is one of those situations where I am so sick of seeing and hearing about a topic, but can't stop listening and reading! Carrie Prejean was on the TODAY Show this morning talking about her life goal to save marriage. (Continued…)

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